oprah winfrey, michael jordan, the king of the bulls, oprah winfrey had her show, and barack obama who came anonymously. and he is arguably today's most influential. >> host: in chicago community organizer, you quote him. saying that obama was one of the most cautious people i ever met in my life. he was never willing to to take risks, vote a straight nomination of someone who would have to weigh everything to death, and then take a dramatic risk at the end. >> guest: that sounds like president obama, too. some ways that characteristic can be looked at as his life and career. but as a community organizer, the whole notion and method for community organizing was to take action, and you have to seize it. he was one of his mentors. barack obama was sort of a different sort. looking for ways to not confront in other ways. i can be >> host: while he was there as a community organizer, what was the president's life like? >> guest: he lived in hyde park. a great part of the city, it is notoriously known as a city in the united states. hyde park was a pocket of immigration. seems very comforta